Why Student Debt Is So Hard to Forgive

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Americans are currently burdened with about 1.57 trillion dollars of student debt, and that number is climbing rapidly. For many, a lifetime of debt has become the painful reality of life in the United States. Why? What happened to make this country, and this economic system, so addicted to debt?

Why Student Debt Is So Hard to Forgive – Second Thought
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Citations and Further Reading:

Graeber
https://warwick.ac.uk/fac/arts/english/currentstudents/undergraduate/modules/fulllist/special/statesofdamage/syllabus201516/graeber-debt_the_first_5000_years.pdf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZIINXhGDcs
https://alexdanco.com/2020/05/15/debt-the-first-5000-years/
https://johnathanbi.com/book-notes-summaries/debt
https://longnow.org/ideas/02010/04/22/debt-the-first-five-thousand-years/
https://patternwhichconnects.com/blog/david-graeber-and-the-rewriting-of-monetary-history/

Lazzarato
https://doi.org/10.1177/0038038514539207
http://irep.ntu.ac.uk/id/eprint/30123/1/7885_OShaughnessy.pdf
https://www.theoryculturesociety.org/blog/review-maurizio-lazzarato-governing-by-debt

Others
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDZ7aQ_umhU
https://www.jacobinmag.com/2020/09/cant-pay-wont-pay-debt-abolition
https://www.academia.edu/23770832/Debt_Underemployment_and_Capitalism_The_Rise_of_Twenty_First_Century_Serfdom
https://doi.org/10.1177/016146812112300601 https://www.researchgate.net/publication/301270586_Debt_resistance_Beyond_or_within_capitalism
https://books.google.com/books?id=swxjDwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover
https://doi.org/10.1177/2631309X20921567
https://marshallsteinbaum.org/assets/goldrick-rab-and-steinbaum-2020-what-is-the-problem-with-student-debt-jpam-point-.pdf

Higher Ed. & Student Loans
https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/what-biden-cant-do-on-student-debt-and-what-he-wont-do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R58Si78N9i4
https://educationdata.org/student-loan-debt-by-generation
https://educationdata.org/average-cost-of-college-by-year
https://youtu.be/CKbopGWJM40?list=PLnQCwElJCNf9NHOqHicDrb03RX04nNl-h
https://time.com/4276222/free-college/
https://theintercept.com/2021/08/05/student-debt-cancellation-nancy-pelosi/
https://newrepublic.com/article/159233/coronavirus-pandemic-collapse-college-universities
https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/free-college-was-once-the-norm-all-over-america/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0CyBv18A5k
https://thehill.com/opinion/education/560016-refuting-the-worst-excuses-against-student-debt-cancellation
https://jacobinmag.com/2020/11/cancel-student-loan-debt-biden

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Dan Morgan says:

Your video is great, best communication of the principle of "debt is slavery". Keep up the good work!

joe longaphie says:

Forgive my mortgage and my vehicle loans too please!

phillip pierce says:

The reason student loan debt is so hard to forgive is because political donners pay politicians not to do it. Simple ,huh?

John Aman says:

Work hard, pay your debts, move on people. Many do it! It is your responsibility since you took it on…

Ethan Rouse says:

Didn’t even watch the video yet it I want to say the thumbnail was fantastic!

Brett Bellingar says:

You cant just not pay unless you are unemployed. They will steal money straight out of your paycheck before you even hold it.

autohmae says:

Maybe in your country debt leads to the treat of violence, but I don't think I've ever seen that happen in my country.
A roof above your head is a human right and restructuring and debt forgiveness is just a normal part of society.
Your country keeps amazing me…

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Dragons Tooth says:

we take kids who have to make the biggest decision of their lives – what are you going to be when you grow up? – from an environment where they are getting spoon fed (high school) throw them into a crucible where "you're an adult, your on your own now", only tell them about the best bits of the job (cause there are down sides to all jobs) and expect them to thrive with mountains of debt to get a degree that benefits their employer, not them. Their employers need a skilled work force. An engineering company cannot exist without engineers, or a hospital without doctors. If you consider that few people would show up to work on monday, if any, if they still got paid the same to stay home, then yes this is for the employer's benefit … they should pay for it

Filip Wolffs says:

Algorithm again.

Travis Biko says:

There are two ways to conquer or enslave a country. The first is the sword and the other is with debt- John Adams

Comrade Weismann says:

Comments for the algorithm god

dosmastrify says:

Is this really how most people define violence??

Pseudynom says:

Some economists believe that bartering wasn't really common and reciprocity was the way to go. If someone hunted an animal, he/she wouldn't trade it with others, but it would be shared among the village/community. And if someone grew vegetables, they'd share it with their community.

DrNiradino says:

4:00 judging from history, more likely it was "I give you something today, and you return twice as much to me tomorow, or I will send enforcers to beat the debt out of you".

Cake is yummy says:

Who gives those massive 5 Trillion + Loan to Goverments?

Royal Payn says:

Personally one of the few non socialist ideas I still back is making a person have responsibility for their own future, however the cost at this point is unacceptable. Educated people are mandatory for our future and we should INVEST in that future

loyce jason says:

Investing in crypto now should be in every wise individuals list. In some months time you'll be ecstatic with the decision you made today.

Smarkwick says:

I feel this I am currently a freshman robotics engineer student and I love what I learning its valuable to society especially going forward and it pays well yet I will probably be crippled till Im 50 since Ill have like 120k in debt for a BS/MS

hydraulic hydra says:

I am 21 and make about 55-65k a year doing physical work. I am a proletariat if there ever was one. I am free of student loan debt because I didn't go to college since I realized it was a big scam. A brief Google search says I beat the college grads by almost double because I made good decisions. Yet numerous taxes which probably come to ~50% of my income all told are used to pay the ~28.9 trillion of national debt that I didn't choose for services I don't need and don't want. Now, I will be paying taxes the rest of my life, even once I've payed the nearly 100 thousand of 'my' 'share,' so it may as well be infinite. Now, with this much debt that I am saddled with through no fault of my own, tell me why I should care about people with a fraction of it because they made bad decisions?

Aidan Dryburgh says:

I agree that what this video states is all true, but i'd still argue this is a very one sided argument about the merits of debt. Absolutely, taking on debt means being liable for all the commitments that debt entails, and the fact that this is enforced by the state absolutely means that there is an implicit threat of violence by the state if you fail to meet your liabilities. But I think there are two important points to make here.

Firstly, not all violence is equal. A state is perfectly capable of extracting reparations, moral and capital, in ways that are not physically cruel or unjust. This is coersive use of force, and therefore it is still violence, but it is also an element of the social contract that societies function by. Obviously, whether the method of extraction is crule or unjust lies entirely on the people and systems this punishment is administered by, but its certainly possible).

Secondly, debt is a burden, but it is also a huge opportinity. Debt allows people and institutions access to vast resources they wouldn't be entitled to otherwise, and it can be used to achieve enormous projects. When done right, it can lead to enormous growth, the kind that the skyrocketing quality of life the last 2 centuries of human history can testify to (of course there are still huge societal issues that plague modern times, but when you compare them to the absolute abject poverty people used to live in, it's still astounding). I would never argue that a societies relationship to debt isn't an issue that must scrutinised and ammended constantly. But it is also one of the key foundations of everything (good and bad) about the world we live in.

None of this is to say of course that American Student Debt isn't an issue, because it's getting pretty atrocious

Sam Quinn says:

1000th comment!

Avianna Reign says:

It's so true it's like you have four options

1. live a life manipulating debt which is what usually what the wealthy does

2. living life saving for everything that you want but you'll be living with the bare minimum while you wait.
3. you don't even make enough to save so you're just living your life with the bare minimum
4. Living your life buying things that make you happy obtaining random debt here or there and you may still be able to pay your bills but you're always broke (I feel like this is how the average person lives who's not wealthy at the moment)

The worst part of it all if you don't have someone in your life to teach you you're not taught how to manage debt, If you were born in this country managing debt should be one of the skills that we are taught before we released into the world our high school year we literally have empty sections of our school schedule where we don't have classes because we're almost done those empty sections could be filled with classes to prepare us to survive in our own country, I truly believe the main reason other people can come from another country and experience the American dream before an actual American is because when they enter our country they don't have any debt these people could be 30 40 years old and debt-free and I know you May think that seems horrible at first but it's like they get better starting place because every American who's the same age as them is probably still playing catch up because of the debt that they're in. You can say you can teach yourself but when you're 18 years old or you're really thinking about how to manage debt by the time you learn you already have a low credit score.

Gandalf The Dev says:

RGB light spears lmao, straight out of Elon Musk's textbook

Not an Inquisitor says:

If you ever wonder why things operate they way the do in the US just remember, abuse is the point. If you wonder why the government is reluctant to heed the cries of the impoverished, the abuse is the point. If you wonder why foreign policy involves mostly military operations in poorer nations, the abuse is the point. Cycles of abuse are so normalized that it is almost impossible for the average citizen to recognize the abuse.

David Jennings says:

What is the Utopian alternative? Russia, China? Criticism is fine, even vital, but it needs to at least point to solutions or it's just ideological whining.

Pale Penguin says:

"not while there's blood left in that stone will we stop sqeezing"

Baron Harkonnen says:

Corporations and their minions in government are feeding on their own people with low paying jobs, privatized health-care, debt… When a nation starts devouring itself to make a buck it is the beginning of the end.

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